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Post any Pokemon you beleive should be OU, but are in a different tier, here.
Current Smogon OU List:
Current Smogon OU List:
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Aerodactyl Pressure / Rock Head 80 105 65 60 75 130 515
Azelf Levitate 75 125 70 125 70 115 580
Blissey Natural Cure / Serene Grace 255 10 10 75 135 55 540
Breloom Effect Spore / Poison Heal 60 130 80 60 60 70 460
Bronzong Levitate / Heatproof 67 89 116 79 116 33 500
Celebi Natural Cure 100 100 100 100 100 100 600
Dragonite Inner Focus 91 134 95 100 100 80 600
Dusknoir Pressure 45 100 135 65 135 45 525
Electivire Motor Drive 75 123 67 95 85 95 540
Empoleon Torrent 84 86 88 111 101 60 530
Flygon Levitate 80 100 80 80 80 100 520
Forretress Sturdy 75 90 140 60 60 40 465
Gengar Levitate 60 65 60 130 75 110 500
Gliscor Sand Veil / Hyper Cutter 75 95 125 45 75 95 510
Gyarados Intimidate 95 125 79 60 100 81 540
Heatran Flash Fire 91 90 106 130 106 77 600
Heracross Guts / Swarm 80 125 75 40 95 85 500
Hippowdon Sand Stream 108 112 118 68 72 47 525
Infernape Blaze 76 104 71 104 71 108 534
Jirachi Serene Grace 100 100 100 100 100 100 600
Jolteon Volt Absorb 65 65 60 110 95 130 525
Kingdra Swift Swim / Sniper 75 95 95 95 95 85 540
Latias Levitate 80 80 90 110 130 110 600
Lucario Inner Focus / Steadfast 70 110 70 115 70 90 525
Machamp Guts / No Guard 90 130 80 65 85 55 505
Magnezone Sturdy / Magnet Pull 70 70 115 130 90 60 535
Mamoswine Oblivious / Snow Cloak 110 130 80 70 60 80 530
Metagross Clear Body 80 135 130 95 90 70 600
Ninjask Speed Boost 61 90 45 50 50 160 456
Roserade Natural Cure / Poison Point 60 70 55 125 105 90 505
Rotom-C Levitate 50 65 107 105 107 86 520
Rotom-F Levitate 50 65 107 105 107 86 520
Rotom-H Levitate 50 65 107 105 107 86 520
Rotom-S Levitate 50 65 107 105 107 86 520
Rotom-W Levitate 50 65 107 105 107 86 520
Salamence Intimidate 95 135 80 110 80 100 600
Scizor Swarm / Technician 70 130 100 55 80 65 500
Skarmory Sturdy / Keen Eye 65 80 140 40 70 70 465
Smeargle Own Tempo / Technician 55 20 35 20 45 75 250
Snorlax Immunity / Thick Fat 160 110 65 65 110 30 540
Starmie Natural Cure / Illuminate 60 75 85 100 85 115 520
Suicune Pressure 100 75 115 90 115 85 580
Swampert Torrent 100 110 90 85 90 60 535
Tentacruel Clear Body / Liquid Ooze 80 70 65 80 120 100 515
Togekiss Serene Grace / Hustle 85 50 95 120 115 80 545
Tyranitar Sand Stream 100 134 110 95 100 61 600
Vaporeon Water Absorb 130 65 60 110 95 65 525
Weavile Pressure 70 120 65 45 85 125 510
Zapdos Pressure 90 90 85 125 90 100 580
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Yanmega deffy
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D8L wrote:Roserade.
Already in there.
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Cirrus wrote:CRESSELIA!!!! God help us if Cressy stays in UU.
We dont even need to playtest that one. xD
Send it straight to OU XDDD
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I dont get the point of altered form pokemon in OU You cant use them over wifi without hacking which means you automaticly lose i mean srsly wtf xD
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SKYxShaymin wrote:Sky Form Shaymin
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I reject your reality, and substitute my own. 388 Speed + Serene Grace + STAB Air Slash in itself is quite broken. Not to mention from a 300+ Sp Atk power. I don't think I have to even really do calcs...
@ Bibarel, other than people who have absolutely NO life, and spend its entirety breeding all 31 IV'ed Pokemon Smogonites, not many people have the patience to breed an ENTIRE team of straight 31-IVed Pokemon, which is used in almost all battles. That in itself would mean the Pokemon is Pokesav'ed, so an extent of cheating is already in battles from that. Although the critical-hit AR code seriously blurs that Rotom line (oops, I didn't say that).
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im not zayc -_-
xD
xD
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No idea what you guys are talking about. :whistle:
By the power of all that is logical, I command that Latias be sent to Uber. 350 Speed + Specs + natural defenses is quite broken. Sure, Weavile and Tyranitar can counter it, but Weavile also counters Darkrai, Sky Shaymin and Latios, and they're not OU. >.>
By the power of all that is logical, I command that Latias be sent to Uber. 350 Speed + Specs + natural defenses is quite broken. Sure, Weavile and Tyranitar can counter it, but Weavile also counters Darkrai, Sky Shaymin and Latios, and they're not OU. >.>
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Cirrus wrote:By the power of all that is logical, I command that Latias be sent to Uber.
That's why theres an "UBERS Suspect List" >______>
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Are you aware how smogon's testing system works at all? They move pokemon from OU to UU, then re-test it there, and if it's too good for UU it gets moved up to BL. It'll just take months with the amount of test that they do. Cresselia clearly won't last in UU. It belongs in BL as opposed to OU.Cirrus wrote:God help us if Cressy stays in UU.
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It doesn't belong in BL either, tbh.
Staravia vs Cressila.
Abomasnow vs Cressila.
I mean, c'mon. >.>
Staravia vs Cressila.
Abomasnow vs Cressila.
I mean, c'mon. >.>
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i believe you mean Staraptor
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JerseyGirl wrote:Are you aware how smogon's testing system works at all? They move pokemon from OU to UU, then re-test it there, and if it's too good for UU it gets moved up to BL. It'll just take months with the amount of test that they do. Cresselia clearly won't last in UU. It belongs in BL as opposed to OU.Cirrus wrote:God help us if Cressy stays in UU.
Yes, but who's Smogonish idea was it to put Cresselia in the BL/UU tier in the first place? That's what I'd like to know. lol
But in the meantime, there are people abusing Cresselia in UU because Smogon was smart enough to publish it as a UU Pokemon. Because everyone listens to Smogon for some reason. They do have good strategy pages, but other than that, well....I'll stop there.
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lets see how the other BL's do against Cresselia:
Abomasnow:
1) Sub up while it uses Calm Mind, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Reflect, or Light Screen. Then you can Leach Seed stall it.
2) SD while they set up. Abomasnow, wins the speed game, can 2 hit KO the Cresselia. Cresselia's Psychic, and even Hidden Power Fighting, can't KO Abomasnow in one hit, even with a Calm Mind. If you use both Calm Mind and Thunder Wave, to outspeed, You're already KO'd.
Crobat:
Hypnosis or Taunt both shut Cresselia down. With just one Nasty Plot you can two hit KO the Cresselia. Once you set up one of the three standard moves for Crobat, Cresselia is screwed over.
Gallade:
Once you get a Swords Dance up you can KO Cresselia in 2 hits. Cresselia can, at best, KO Gallade in three hits, even with 3 Calm Minds up. By the time you take to get three or more Calm Minds, Gallade will have had the turns to cripple, if not, KO Gallade.
Honchkrow:
Any Physical Set can KO Cresselia in two hits with Night Slash. Assuming your Nasty Plots can match Cresselia's Calm Minds, you win with the Special Set, in one to two hits.
Shaymin:
Another Seed staller. Cresselia's HP stat hates a Sub Seeder.
Staraptor:
A Choice Band Brave Bird or Double Edge can KO Cresselia in two hits. Other moves are an easy three hit KO. Assuming Cresselia has max Defence and HP.
Yanmega:
Probably the one BL who can't counter Cresselia well. Yanmega has earned his keep in BL with other reasons.
Abomasnow:
1) Sub up while it uses Calm Mind, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Reflect, or Light Screen. Then you can Leach Seed stall it.
2) SD while they set up. Abomasnow, wins the speed game, can 2 hit KO the Cresselia. Cresselia's Psychic, and even Hidden Power Fighting, can't KO Abomasnow in one hit, even with a Calm Mind. If you use both Calm Mind and Thunder Wave, to outspeed, You're already KO'd.
Crobat:
Hypnosis or Taunt both shut Cresselia down. With just one Nasty Plot you can two hit KO the Cresselia. Once you set up one of the three standard moves for Crobat, Cresselia is screwed over.
Gallade:
Once you get a Swords Dance up you can KO Cresselia in 2 hits. Cresselia can, at best, KO Gallade in three hits, even with 3 Calm Minds up. By the time you take to get three or more Calm Minds, Gallade will have had the turns to cripple, if not, KO Gallade.
Honchkrow:
Any Physical Set can KO Cresselia in two hits with Night Slash. Assuming your Nasty Plots can match Cresselia's Calm Minds, you win with the Special Set, in one to two hits.
Shaymin:
Another Seed staller. Cresselia's HP stat hates a Sub Seeder.
Staraptor:
A Choice Band Brave Bird or Double Edge can KO Cresselia in two hits. Other moves are an easy three hit KO. Assuming Cresselia has max Defence and HP.
Yanmega:
Probably the one BL who can't counter Cresselia well. Yanmega has earned his keep in BL with other reasons.
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Yanmega has Hypnosis, Bug Buzz (which has STAB) and also protect. I tihnk it can handle Cresselia okay, but it probably can't take it down if Hypnosis misses.
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A Bug Buzz just on it's own is two hit KO, if you miss the Hypnosis and Cresselia gets off a Calm Mind, then your looking at three hits for a KO, and it gets worse from there, with just one option that is 60% now. So if you get the 60% and have two turns of sleep you beat Cresselia with Yanmega, if not, and it gets Calm Minds off...you'll need more turns for it to be asleep, plus you getting the 60% again. So Yanmega can KO a Cresselia as well...it just has the least options and the most luck to do it.
That said, Cresselia should find a good fit in BL.
That said, Cresselia should find a good fit in BL.
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I was thinking Smogonite, but okay, that works too.SKYxShaymin wrote:Wow
JerseyGirl you are so mac, just don't even deny it XD
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lawl.
It's obvious Jersey is mac, and has been since he joined.
It's obvious Jersey is mac, and has been since he joined.
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Cirrus wrote:JerseyGirl wrote:Are you aware how smogon's testing system works at all? They move pokemon from OU to UU, then re-test it there, and if it's too good for UU it gets moved up to BL. It'll just take months with the amount of test that they do. Cresselia clearly won't last in UU. It belongs in BL as opposed to OU.Cirrus wrote:God help us if Cressy stays in UU.
Yes, but who's Smogonish idea was it to put Cresselia in the BL/UU tier in the first place? That's what I'd like to know. lol
But in the meantime, there are people abusing Cresselia in UU because Smogon was smart enough to publish it as a UU Pokemon. Because everyone listens to Smogon for some reason. They do have good strategy pages, but other than that, well....I'll stop there.
Yes, but who's Smogonish idea was it to put Cresselia in the BL/UU tier in the first place? That's what I'd like to know. lol
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Smogon said that Cresselia has no reliable recovery move. Its only was to recover is with Rest or Moonlight.Moonlight restores 1/2 you HP without any weather but when it is sunny it will restore you HP back to full health.BUT in sandstorm it will only recover 1/4 of your HP and with all those Tyranitars with their Sandstream Ability and STAB Crunchs on them, Cresselia cant do much to Tyranitar since Tyranitar gets a 1.5 boost from its Sandstorm.
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